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trayvon martin was 17 years old. the defense? listen to this. >> just when i thought this case couldn't get anymore bizarre, the state is seeking third degree murder based on child abuse? is the court going to give this any serious contention or consideration? because if so we have a lot of talking to do. >> second degree murder requires, as indicated in the case law, that depraved mind. third degree felony does not require that. it simply requires that the victim be under the age of 18. and be subjected to what constitutes child abuse. >> the judge ruled in this case that was too much of a stretch. no child abuse. so, third degree murder as a lesser included charges is out. now the prosecution makes its final case to the jury, that george zimmerman followed and ultimately murdered trayvon martin last year. george zimmerman says he shot trayvon martin in self-defense. let's get a recap of today. phil keating is outside the crowd. the prosecutor blaming george zimmerman for making assumptions. >> a long list of assumptions. says t
trayvon martin was 17 years old. the defense? listen to this. >> just when i thought this case couldn't get anymore bizarre, the state is seeking third degree murder based on child abuse? is the court going to give this any serious contention or consideration? because if so we have a lot of talking to do. >> second degree murder requires, as indicated in the case law, that depraved mind. third degree felony does not require that. it simply requires that the victim be under the age...
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if it was george zimmerman's voice, if trayvon martin and he got into an altercation, and trayvon really was smashing his head into the concrete and he really was screaming out and genuinely feared his life might be in danger, would that give him justification for taking the action that he did. >> i think that's strong justification for self-acquittal. on the other hand i think if you feel that it was trayvon martin yelling out and screaming, it's a very different case. >> here's the problem, we just don't know that. we're not going to know that, we're not going to know so many things about this, the only two people who know, one is dead, trayvon martin. and one is george zimmerman, fighting for his -- not for his life, but fighting for his freedom. either way, he could be found guilty of manslaughter and still get 20 years because trayvon was 17 years old. >> that's very true, and that may be justice in the case, you're absolutely right, it's a circumstantial case, the evidence is circumstantial. the evidence is really what story you believe. the defense is telling a very different stor
if it was george zimmerman's voice, if trayvon martin and he got into an altercation, and trayvon really was smashing his head into the concrete and he really was screaming out and genuinely feared his life might be in danger, would that give him justification for taking the action that he did. >> i think that's strong justification for self-acquittal. on the other hand i think if you feel that it was trayvon martin yelling out and screaming, it's a very different case. >> here's...
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>> correct. >> that sksent with trayvon martin leaning over when he got hot? >> yes, sir, sure. >> you were asked -- or you actually spoke a little bit about the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> did you -- you actually went to the scene for the purpose of getting an idea of the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> but you didn't get an idea of the light, did you? >> no. i failed to go take into account the change in season, so when i got there, it was still daylight or dusk area. >> and when was that? >> off the top of my head, i can't remember the exact day, sir. i think i might have told new deposition, but i can't remember. >> can you ballpark it? was it in july? >> july? no. >> was it in june? >> maybe early june. i don't remember the exact day in which i attempted that. >> you went to the scene to get an idea of the light? >> yes. >> and the sun had not yet gone down? >> correct. it was not completely set. >> so you didn't wait until it had set? >> no, sir. >> and you didn't go back? >> no. >> when it was dark some other day? >> no. >> the defendant told you that t
>> correct. >> that sksent with trayvon martin leaning over when he got hot? >> yes, sir, sure. >> you were asked -- or you actually spoke a little bit about the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> did you -- you actually went to the scene for the purpose of getting an idea of the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> but you didn't get an idea of the light, did you? >> no. i failed to go take into account the change in season, so when i got there, it was...
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trayvon martin was fit. the fight wasn't fair. have a look at how he showed us what the fight was like. take a look at john guy with the demonstration. that you're going to see a lot of. >> you recognize this as being a human type figure? right? >> yes, sir. >> okay. it's actually got a belly button. >> it surely does. >> does it appear to be anatomically correct. >> for the belly button, yes, sir. >> so as the defendant described it to you, is this the way he described it in the area of the belly button. >> what's important right now, number one you've got your knees up pretty high on his waist. slide down just a little bit more. there you go. have a squat. i can't see your crotch, but in the area of his belly button. >> here's his belly button. am i in the area. >> yes, sir. >> did you have the defendant do this? >> no, sir. >> when you talked to him. >> no, sir. >> you didn't have him do that? >> no, sir. >> if this person, this mannequin were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me
trayvon martin was fit. the fight wasn't fair. have a look at how he showed us what the fight was like. take a look at john guy with the demonstration. that you're going to see a lot of. >> you recognize this as being a human type figure? right? >> yes, sir. >> okay. it's actually got a belly button. >> it surely does. >> does it appear to be anatomically correct. >> for the belly button, yes, sir. >> so as the defendant described it to you, is this the...
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charged with second degree murder in the killing of trayvon martin. zimmerman told the judge today he does not wish to testify on his own behalf. nbc's ron motte is covering in sanford, florida. good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you. the defense rested after another extraordinary day at the courthouse, including a tense exchange about whether or not george zimmerman would take the stand. today, george zimmerman made up his mind. >> what is your decision, sir? >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> reporter: earlier, as the defense wound up its case with witnesses yet to call, things got testy. >> i am asking your client questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to testify -- >> your objection is overruled. mr. zimmerman, i will give you more time, sir to discuss this with your attorneys. thank you very much. >> reporter: the tension between defense attorney don west and judge debra nelson seems leftover from an after-hours court session last night. >> i can't keep up this pac
charged with second degree murder in the killing of trayvon martin. zimmerman told the judge today he does not wish to testify on his own behalf. nbc's ron motte is covering in sanford, florida. good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you. the defense rested after another extraordinary day at the courthouse, including a tense exchange about whether or not george zimmerman would take the stand. today, george zimmerman made up his mind. >> what is your decision, sir? >> after...
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trayvon's mother also testified. joining me now is the attorney for trayvon mart you know's family, darrell parks. thank you for joining us on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> emotional day in court. sybrina fulton taking the stand. the defense has begun the case. >> it's been a tough day here in sanford for the family. obviously, they anticipated today and they were very prayerful as they prepared, and we worked with them to prepare them. and the moment came where sybrina fulton had to take the stand. tough to go, talk about about her son, hear the gunshot again and hear what she recognizes as his voice. did she maintain it was any hope? that was really something she wished she didn't have to go through. but they are allowed to ask her questions. probably even tougher than that, tracy martin today, sitting through court and to hear about how the bullet entered your son's heart, broke into pieces, went into his lungs, flood filled his lungs and his last moments. those were tough moments for him as he tried to ho
trayvon's mother also testified. joining me now is the attorney for trayvon mart you know's family, darrell parks. thank you for joining us on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> emotional day in court. sybrina fulton taking the stand. the defense has begun the case. >> it's been a tough day here in sanford for the family. obviously, they anticipated today and they were very prayerful as they prepared, and we worked with them to prepare them. and the moment came where...
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the death of an unarmed teenager, trayvon martin. the question of george zimmerman and whether he acted in self-defense, clearly the conclusion that a jury of six women came to tonight. george zimmerman, not guilty. it was a case that was as much about larger issues. it was about guns in this country. it was about race in this country. the reverend al sharpton joins us now. your reaction. >> well, i think that this is an atrocity. i think that it is probably one of the worst situations that i've seen. what this jury has done is establish a precedent that when you are young and fit a certain profile, you can be committing no crime. just bringing some skittles and iced tea home to your brother and be killed and someone can claim self-defense. having been exposed with all kinds of lies. all kinds of inconsistencies. we had, even at trial when he is exposed over and over again as a liar, he is acquitted. this is a sad day in the country. i think that we clearly must move on to the next step in terms of the federal government and in terms
the death of an unarmed teenager, trayvon martin. the question of george zimmerman and whether he acted in self-defense, clearly the conclusion that a jury of six women came to tonight. george zimmerman, not guilty. it was a case that was as much about larger issues. it was about guns in this country. it was about race in this country. the reverend al sharpton joins us now. your reaction. >> well, i think that this is an atrocity. i think that it is probably one of the worst situations...
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>> i think trayvon martin deserved more. i think the people of the state of florida and the victim, trayvon martin, should have had a clear-cut presentation of the evidence that came out in this case. the inconsistencies, spoon-fed to them, laid out in some way other than sarcasm. >> reporter: earlier in the day, judge nelson heard from both sides on what judges the jury would be allowed to consider. >> the information alleges the defendant shot and killed the victim, the victim was under the age of 18. and child abuse must be according to the third degree felony murder instruction defined. >> oh, my god. just when i thought this case couldn't get any more bizarre, the state is seeking a charge based on child abuse. is the state going to give this anymore consideration? because if so we have a lot of talking to do. >> reporter: third degree murder was not a lesser charge. >> it is outrageous that the state would seek to do this at this time in this case. >> reporter: ultimately the judge ruled the jury would be allowed to co
>> i think trayvon martin deserved more. i think the people of the state of florida and the victim, trayvon martin, should have had a clear-cut presentation of the evidence that came out in this case. the inconsistencies, spoon-fed to them, laid out in some way other than sarcasm. >> reporter: earlier in the day, judge nelson heard from both sides on what judges the jury would be allowed to consider. >> the information alleges the defendant shot and killed the victim, the...
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about the phone calls is what trayvon martin was doing. of course we haven't spent a lot of time on that. the evidence is compelling. we know he was on the phone with rachel jeantel. we know that ended -- we have the time, a precise time, and it kicked back in. and that she said he was running. which actually coincides pretty straight forward with when george said he was running. some consistency there. so trayvon martin was running. and he was running at about somewhere 7-eleven, 47. keep that number in mind for a minute. 7:11:57. because the altercation, according to miss lauer's phone call if you sort of look at when her phone call started, back it up to when she heard what she heard, she called it 7:16:11. give her 30 seconds or so on-to-have started, right? somewhere around there. we are going take a break for a couple of minutes because i didn't realize i have been talking for an hour and 20 minutes so we are going to take a break. but before we take a break, here is what i'm going to do. i'm going to sit tight. we are not going to t
about the phone calls is what trayvon martin was doing. of course we haven't spent a lot of time on that. the evidence is compelling. we know he was on the phone with rachel jeantel. we know that ended -- we have the time, a precise time, and it kicked back in. and that she said he was running. which actually coincides pretty straight forward with when george said he was running. some consistency there. so trayvon martin was running. and he was running at about somewhere 7-eleven, 47. keep that...
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cleared of all charges in the shooting death of trayvon martin. martin's family deals with that verdict that was rendered last night. good morning, everyone. welcome to "america's news headquarters" on this sunday morning. >> i'm marcella neville. a jury of six women reaching their verdict yesterday after 16 hours of deliberations. here's the verdict as it was read. >> in the circuit court of the 18th judicial district in and for seminole county florida, state of florida versus george zimmerman, verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman, not guilty. >> emotions running high outside the courthouse as people on both sides of this case consider the outcome of this historic case. jonathan sary is joining us live from sanford, florida. jonathan, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. there were reports overnight of protester smashing windows and setting small fires in oakland, california, but here in sanford, florida, people on both sides of this emotionally charged issue heeded the calls to remain calm. in advance of the verdict some prominent civi
cleared of all charges in the shooting death of trayvon martin. martin's family deals with that verdict that was rendered last night. good morning, everyone. welcome to "america's news headquarters" on this sunday morning. >> i'm marcella neville. a jury of six women reaching their verdict yesterday after 16 hours of deliberations. here's the verdict as it was read. >> in the circuit court of the 18th judicial district in and for seminole county florida, state of florida...
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they fought hard to introduce trayvon martin's toxicology report. so why are they changing their mind now? >>> plus, george zimmerman's mixed martial arts training does it better to help us understand the altercation that took place that night? >>> and a remarkable story of hope. for the first time we hear from the three women held captive for nearly a decade in cleveland. >> i may have been through hell and back, but i am strong enough to walk through hell with a smile on my face. and with my head held high, and my feet firmly on the ground. >> and remember, friend or foe, i want to know. send me your e-mails. "reply al" is coming. stay with us. ting? one asional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues... with three strains of good bacteria. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. male narrator: male narrator: mattress discounters' $197 mattress sale is on now. dog: mattress discounters' $197 mattress sale? male narrator: right now, you ca
they fought hard to introduce trayvon martin's toxicology report. so why are they changing their mind now? >>> plus, george zimmerman's mixed martial arts training does it better to help us understand the altercation that took place that night? >>> and a remarkable story of hope. for the first time we hear from the three women held captive for nearly a decade in cleveland. >> i may have been through hell and back, but i am strong enough to walk through hell with a smile...
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all the testimony is that trayvon martin is right-handed. right there that is a significant, significant inconsistency that doesn't make sense. we all know that we have dominant hands. i can't imagine that's going to be lost on the jury. that's just one tiny example. >> you know what's amazing, sunny? >> yes, mark gar goaeragogerago. >> you call it a cartoon. it's not -- >> it's an avatar cartoon. >> the cartoon makes it a pejorative and you use the language that way. i think it couldn't be better for the defense to put it up there and say this is one reasonable possibility of what happened. by the way, if there's a reasonable possibility that this is the way it happens, you must find the defendant not guilty. >> it's going to be shredded by the prosecution. >> we've got to leave it there. just for the record, i think it was jeff toobin who first used the term cartoon. >>> coming up next, i'll talk to defense attorney mark o'mara, why his client did not testify and why he wants the jury to consider the maximum charge against him. and also yo
all the testimony is that trayvon martin is right-handed. right there that is a significant, significant inconsistency that doesn't make sense. we all know that we have dominant hands. i can't imagine that's going to be lost on the jury. that's just one tiny example. >> you know what's amazing, sunny? >> yes, mark gar goaeragogerago. >> you call it a cartoon. it's not -- >> it's an avatar cartoon. >> the cartoon makes it a pejorative and you use the language that...
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martin or trayvon martin who attacked george zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> you can't testify as to who threw the first punch? >> that's correct, sir. >> fact, you can't testify whether there was a first punch throwing? >> that's correct, sir. >> you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're really testimony is only focusing on at the time of the actual shot, correct? would that be accurate? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're not stating here are you that everything george zimmerman stated at the statement you saw, the reenactment is the complete gospel truth? >> that's correct, sir. i'm just stating the nature of the gunshot wound being consistent with the account. >> were you aware, sir, that the defendant had given one, two, three, i believe at least four, maybe five statements prior to that one? >> i believe you had mentioned that to me, sir. >> i think i mentioned that in your deposition, right? >> yes, sir. >>
martin or trayvon martin who attacked george zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> you can't testify as to who threw the first punch? >> that's correct, sir. >> fact, you can't testify whether there was a first punch throwing? >> that's correct, sir. >> you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're really testimony is only...
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>> that's correct. >> let's talk for a moment about the injury to trayvon martin's knuckle. do you remember there being in the photographs and the discussion in the autopsy an abrasion on the left hand fourth finger. >> right. >> do you agree with dr. bao that's an abrasion type injury? >> it appears to be. >> is that consistent with having come in contact with a hard surface or impacting some other surface? >> it's consistent with impacting a hard surface. >> would concrete qualify in. >> concrete can qualify, yes. >> in your training and experience under circumstances like this, would you expect to see bruising on the knuckles if there had been punching going on? >> you can see bruising or you cannot see bruising. it depends what part of the body you punch. the softer the portion, you may not see it. in a case like this you can have bruising but it may not be visible unless you cut open the hand, the skin and peel it back. there may have been bruising there that we don't know about or there may not have been bruising but it doesn't make that much difference. you can punch
>> that's correct. >> let's talk for a moment about the injury to trayvon martin's knuckle. do you remember there being in the photographs and the discussion in the autopsy an abrasion on the left hand fourth finger. >> right. >> do you agree with dr. bao that's an abrasion type injury? >> it appears to be. >> is that consistent with having come in contact with a hard surface or impacting some other surface? >> it's consistent with impacting a hard...
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trayvon martin's brother. he testified also that he recognized his brother's voice on that 911 call, and my quirks quirks -- question, i guess, does that undermined -- by the fact when he spoke to police, he wasn't sure? >> to some extent, yes. the mother was clearly much stronger, because she knew immediately that was her son, identified it that way and stuck to it. in regards to the depraved mind. the prosecution has george zimmerman on the police dispatcher, using profanity, talking about trayvon martin a complete stranger who had every right to be there walking down the street. and zimmerman calls him an a-hole, an f-ing punk. and months later, after time to reflect, he says the killing was god's plan. that's such a discord nant note to the hear from him. an attorney sitting next to him, time to prepare for the interview and shows no compassion for trayvon martin or his family. the jury could put all that together and say this guy did it whip a depraved mind if they don't buy the self-defense theory offere
trayvon martin's brother. he testified also that he recognized his brother's voice on that 911 call, and my quirks quirks -- question, i guess, does that undermined -- by the fact when he spoke to police, he wasn't sure? >> to some extent, yes. the mother was clearly much stronger, because she knew immediately that was her son, identified it that way and stuck to it. in regards to the depraved mind. the prosecution has george zimmerman on the police dispatcher, using profanity, talking...
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trayvon also has rights in this matter. and this is a very complicated case, and it's going to be very interesting to see what the jury ends up doing with this. >> mel, i can see you shaking your head vigorously. you've been in court. why are you so aggressively anti that statement? >> first of all he wasn't told to stay in his car. he was told we don't need you to do that, sir. >> let me clarify that. let me -- >> it's true -- >> i can clarify that because i think actually exactly what happened is zimmerman had got out of his car and was trying -- >> correct. >> he said to find the street name and at that point he was asked are you following, and he said yes or whatever, and they said we don't need you to do that, but he was actually outside the car. that's one distinction -- >> my point -- >> an important one -- >> a very important one and i stand corrected on that point. my point is had he stayed in the car, had he followed the instructions not to follow him, we would not have a dead 17-year-old, and that's the reality.
trayvon also has rights in this matter. and this is a very complicated case, and it's going to be very interesting to see what the jury ends up doing with this. >> mel, i can see you shaking your head vigorously. you've been in court. why are you so aggressively anti that statement? >> first of all he wasn't told to stay in his car. he was told we don't need you to do that, sir. >> let me clarify that. let me -- >> it's true -- >> i can clarify that because i think...
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trayvon martin was unarmed. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom and criminal defense attorney john burress. let's start with the moment we just witnessed, which was extraordinary. i was watching from afar. you were here as well. i didn't know if george zimmerman was about to be the next witness on stand. what happened there? smpb >> apparently he didn't know if he was going to be the next witness or not. usually what happens is at the close of the defense case, after the last defense witness, a decision is made to testify or not. if the decision is not to testify, the attorney notifies the judge and then the defendant gets questioned outside the presence of the jury but on the record to preserve the record so later on they can't say, oh, my attorney tricked me, i didn't know i have the right. they just do through a series of questions. you understand tyou have the right to testify. yes. you've had a chance to speak to your attorney. yes. that's what we all that uought was going to be. zimmerman looked
trayvon martin was unarmed. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom and criminal defense attorney john burress. let's start with the moment we just witnessed, which was extraordinary. i was watching from afar. you were here as well. i didn't know if george zimmerman was about to be the next witness on stand. what happened there? smpb >> apparently he didn't know if he was going to be the next witness or not. usually what happens is at the close of the defense case, after the last...
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trayvon's mother also testified. joining me now is the attorney for trayvon mart you know's family, darrell parks. thank you for joining us on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> emotional day in court. taking the stand. the defense has begun the case. >> it's been a tough day here in sanford for the family. obviously, they anticipated today and they were very prayerful as they prepared, and we worked with them to prepare them. and the moment came where sybrina fulton had to take the stand. tough to go, talk about about her son, hear the gunshot again and hear what she recognizes as his voice. did she maintain it was any hope? that was really something she wished she didn't have to go through. but they are allowed to ask her questions. probably even tougher than that, tracy martin today, sitting through court and to hear about how the bullet entered your son's heart, broke into pieces, went into his lungs, flood filled his lungs and his last moments. those were tough moments for him as he tried to hold on as best h
trayvon's mother also testified. joining me now is the attorney for trayvon mart you know's family, darrell parks. thank you for joining us on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> emotional day in court. taking the stand. the defense has begun the case. >> it's been a tough day here in sanford for the family. obviously, they anticipated today and they were very prayerful as they prepared, and we worked with them to prepare them. and the moment came where sybrina fulton had to...
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trayvon martin the way he was. trayvon martin that night, i had to show you, he had the hoodie on. we talked about the hoodie. this is from the picture we showed you. it's not in evidence. don't even have to believe it's accurate. just take a look at it. remember how much taller i was than andrew gaugh, and he testified that he was 5'10". and then there's george zimmerman and how tall he is. take a look at him compared to my height. could you stand up for a moment, please? relative physical abilities. that's what you have to look at to determine in a self-defense case. so you look at this guy that night, don't look achad the today to how much weight he gained. it doesn't matter, what matters is how he was that day and how trayvon martin looked that day. in evidence, just so you get an indication, november 15th, 2011, about two months, three months before trayvon martin passed away. that's what he looked like. a young kid, nice kid actually, you look at the picture, not bad. the problem is when we show you autopsy photographs, there are two things to show you about autopsy photograp
trayvon martin the way he was. trayvon martin that night, i had to show you, he had the hoodie on. we talked about the hoodie. this is from the picture we showed you. it's not in evidence. don't even have to believe it's accurate. just take a look at it. remember how much taller i was than andrew gaugh, and he testified that he was 5'10". and then there's george zimmerman and how tall he is. take a look at him compared to my height. could you stand up for a moment, please? relative...
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goode saw, trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back, consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement, i take it, is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> right. but again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >> the -- you pointed out in your direct evidence that there were two lacerations on the back of mr. zimmerman's head and that you testified that you believed those two have been from separate impacts. >> yes, sir. >> because you could see the sort of valley in between. >> yes, sir. >> those were the two blows that created the lacerations. >> right, in addition they were so separate that if you impacted one, you couldn't get the other one. so there were two reasons. >> your testimony was that was consistent with having mr. zimmerman's head struck at least twice on a surface like concrete. >> objectio
goode saw, trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back, consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement, i take it, is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> right. but again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >> the --...
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that he pushed the gun into trayvon martin's chest. you know, justice and emotions you have to be careful with it because we all have emotions as human beings and we have justice. you sit back and say what are they trying to do? does it really help you decide this case when somebody who is not george zimmerman's voice screams at you or yells at you and curses at you? no. i would contend. listen to the tape. don't listen to mr. guy. i'm sure people say that i look like joel and mr. guy is trying to sound like him with this really odd f'ing punks! you know, do we need that? i do a little bit, i guess. but do we need that type of anger coming out from a prosecutor rather than from a defendant? is that really the way we are going to present this case to a jury of my client's peers? assholes. really? is that the way he said it? one piece of evidence that my client attacked trayvon martin landed one blow, for that matter. did anything to justify in any form or fashion the onslaught of injury perpetrated upon him by no one other than trayvon
that he pushed the gun into trayvon martin's chest. you know, justice and emotions you have to be careful with it because we all have emotions as human beings and we have justice. you sit back and say what are they trying to do? does it really help you decide this case when somebody who is not george zimmerman's voice screams at you or yells at you and curses at you? no. i would contend. listen to the tape. don't listen to mr. guy. i'm sure people say that i look like joel and mr. guy is trying...
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trayvon martin a total stranger to him. and george zimmerman had already formed negative impressions of him. you mean to tell me that he grew fonder of trayvon martin during the fight? of course not. and even five months later when he's talking to hannity with his attorney sitting right next to him, he says the killing was god's plan and that he had no regrets. of course there is ill will here. now, only question really for the jury is was it self-defense. and i think the defense will hit hard on the testimony of john good, a disinterested neighbor who says that at the end just before the shot was fired, zimmerman was down on his back, trayvon martin was on top. pounding and grounding him, mma style. that's the testimony. i think the defense will ask the jurors zimmerman had a legal gun. was that not right for him to use it. didn't he have the right to use it in that moment to save his life. wasn't that a reasonable thing for him to do. and for the defense, zimmerman cooperated with the police from the beginning. he answere
trayvon martin a total stranger to him. and george zimmerman had already formed negative impressions of him. you mean to tell me that he grew fonder of trayvon martin during the fight? of course not. and even five months later when he's talking to hannity with his attorney sitting right next to him, he says the killing was god's plan and that he had no regrets. of course there is ill will here. now, only question really for the jury is was it self-defense. and i think the defense will hit hard...
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martin was shot to death because if trayvon martin was on top of george zimmerman it could have been very different than if trayvon martin were on the bottom and george zimmerman was doing that mma beatdown. >> forget what george zimmerman had to say. forget what the prosecution has to say. listen to the science. the science tells it all. forget everything else. it tells you there was a separation between the gunshot and the body. we know that the gunshot penetrated the clothing and then entered the body. >> two to four inches separation between the clothing and the actual skin. >>. >> the natural inclination that the bullet will go but that's a minor point. the most important point is the nature of the defect of the clothing and tattooing. if you lean over somebody you notice that the clothing tends to fall away from the chest. if instead you're lying on your back and somebody shoots you the clothing is going to be against your chest. the fact that we know the clothing was two to four inches away is consistent with somebody leaning over the person doing the shooting and that the clo
martin was shot to death because if trayvon martin was on top of george zimmerman it could have been very different than if trayvon martin were on the bottom and george zimmerman was doing that mma beatdown. >> forget what george zimmerman had to say. forget what the prosecution has to say. listen to the science. the science tells it all. forget everything else. it tells you there was a separation between the gunshot and the body. we know that the gunshot penetrated the clothing and then...
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will they find him guilty or not guilty of killing trayvon martin. the most we've heard from the defendant himself. >> did you now have sufficient time to discuss with your attorneys whether or not you wanted to testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> i don't need to know what was said but after those discussions, have you made a decision? >> yes, your honor. >> what is your decision, sir. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >>> so, he won't testify but his defense attorney mark o'mara is talking, striking a confident turn after today's dramatic session. >> i think we have a very, very good chance with the jury right now and with the evidence as presented. he's already given his story or statement five, six, seven times now so the jury has that and we just decided that there was enough evidence in there that we don't need to present any more. >> both sides using high
will they find him guilty or not guilty of killing trayvon martin. the most we've heard from the defendant himself. >> did you now have sufficient time to discuss with your attorneys whether or not you wanted to testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> i don't need to know what was said but after those discussions, have you made a decision? >> yes, your honor. >> what is your decision, sir. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor....
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he was profiling trayvon martin. i believe that all of those things are true, and i wouldn't be surprised if the jury thought that was true, but that's really not the issue. the issue is was this case proved beyond a reasonable doubt when focussing on the evidence, and i don't think that it's been. >> i agree. >> let me ask you about the jury itself. we've got six women, five are mothers. to me, when sybrina fulton gave her evidence, that was incredibly powerful and seen her walking out of the courtroom unable to see or hear certain parts of testimony involving her son. that has to hit home with mothers. that has to at some stage hit home. >> as you know, i was part of the o.j. simpson defense team and i sat in front of the simpson family and the goldman family and they were visibly moved every single solitary day. and everyone in that courtroom felt for them but at the end of the day you have to put that aside if you follow the the judge's instructions and most jurors do and focus on the evidence. you feel for the p
he was profiling trayvon martin. i believe that all of those things are true, and i wouldn't be surprised if the jury thought that was true, but that's really not the issue. the issue is was this case proved beyond a reasonable doubt when focussing on the evidence, and i don't think that it's been. >> i agree. >> let me ask you about the jury itself. we've got six women, five are mothers. to me, when sybrina fulton gave her evidence, that was incredibly powerful and seen her walking...
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martin and george zimmerman where trayvon martin ended up dead. we'll vf much more on this coverage coming up on "now" with alex wagner after a quick break. stay tuned. can't work, he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! feel it! feel it! nice work! ♪ you got it! you got it! yes! aflac's gonna help take care of his expenses. and us...we're gonna get him back in fighting shape. ♪ [ male announcer ] see what's happening behind the scenes at aflac.com. a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ] for years, bob took warfarin, and made a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but not anymore. bob's doctor recommended a different option: once-a-day xarelto®. xarelto® is the first and only once-a-day prescription bloo
martin and george zimmerman where trayvon martin ended up dead. we'll vf much more on this coverage coming up on "now" with alex wagner after a quick break. stay tuned. can't work, he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! feel it! feel it! nice work! ♪ you got it! you got it! yes! aflac's gonna help take care of his expenses. and us...we're gonna get him back in fighting shape. ♪ [ male...
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george zimmerman saw trayvon as a thug and a punk. that says a lot about the american situation that both of these men, with some reason, viewed each other in this light. they profiled one another. >> how important do you think will be the fact that the jury is entirely female and five of them are mothers? >> you know, the classic learning on this, i think that the prosecution is hoping that they see trayvon as their child, and they may. but the classic learning is that female jurors and mothers are going to think about the idea of sending zimmerman to prison for this, and that they don't tend to believe in the hard and fast application of rules without -- it could go either way. >> in terms of the performance of the two teams, i think the general consensus is the prosecution have not been very good, the defense have been very good in part, particularly mark o'mara, since he became more dominant, in the sense that they've managed to certainly today was a crucial day i felt to get this jury to be thinking that trayvon was on top and th
george zimmerman saw trayvon as a thug and a punk. that says a lot about the american situation that both of these men, with some reason, viewed each other in this light. they profiled one another. >> how important do you think will be the fact that the jury is entirely female and five of them are mothers? >> you know, the classic learning on this, i think that the prosecution is hoping that they see trayvon as their child, and they may. but the classic learning is that female...
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now, he really outweighed trayvon martin. i would be careful of that. how terrific for the defense they have to get on the floor and demonstrated with a dummy the pounding of the head. jurors were right there. >> shep: i think we have video of that. >> they kept long and hard to keep the animation out, the defense did a re-creation. >> way better than the animation. >> shep: the animation was something they created would show their version of the events, like the fifth or sixth retelling of version of events. they are down there pummeling on the mannequin. i look forward to the late night shows. they are going to have a blast with that. is there an argument, a single argument of any kind, if you are george zimmerman, might you say i want to talk. we're going to know in a minute. >> if he says i wanted to talk, i think don west takes him out and beats him. there is zero reason for him to take the stand. only thing he does by george gascon on the stand is giving a conflicting version and subjected himself to a brutal cross-examination. >> there is no way.
now, he really outweighed trayvon martin. i would be careful of that. how terrific for the defense they have to get on the floor and demonstrated with a dummy the pounding of the head. jurors were right there. >> shep: i think we have video of that. >> they kept long and hard to keep the animation out, the defense did a re-creation. >> way better than the animation. >> shep: the animation was something they created would show their version of the events, like the fifth...
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>> trayvon benjamin martin. >> georgy. >> my brother. >> trayvon's? >> yes. >> there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that is george zimmerman. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> if this person, this mannequin, were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me? >> would be at your left inner thigh. >> were the injuries on mr. zimmerman's back of his head consistent with someone doing this? on cement. >> i don't think so. >> why does this defendant get out of the car if he thinks that trayvon martin is a threat to him? why? because he's got a gun! equalizer. he's going to take care of it. he's a want to be cop. >> the person that decided that this is going to continue, said it was going to be violent was the guy that didn't go home when he had the chance to. i almost wish that the verdict had guilty, not guilty and completely innocent because i would ask you to check for that one. you have to check the not guilty. check the innocent then, too. >> trayvon martin may not have the defe
>> trayvon benjamin martin. >> georgy. >> my brother. >> trayvon's? >> yes. >> there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that is george zimmerman. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> if this person, this mannequin, were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me? >> would be at your left inner thigh. >> were the injuries on mr. zimmerman's back of his head consistent...
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will they find him guilty or not guilty of killing trayvon martin. the most we've heard from the defendant himself. >> did you now have sufficient time to discuss with your attorneys whether or not you wanted to testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> i don't need to know what was said but after those discussions, have you made a decision? >> yes, your honor. >> what is your decision, sir. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >>> so, he won't testify but his defense attorney mark o'mara is talking, striking a confident turn after today's dramatic session. >> i think we have a very, very good chance with the jury right now and with the evidence as presented. he's already given his story or statement five, six, seven times now so the jury has that and we just decided that there was enough evidence in there that we don't need to present any more. >> both sides using high drama with each holding a foam dummy did demonstrate the confrontation that ended trayvon martin's life. >>> dramatic stuff with this dummy and also, seeme
will they find him guilty or not guilty of killing trayvon martin. the most we've heard from the defendant himself. >> did you now have sufficient time to discuss with your attorneys whether or not you wanted to testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> i don't need to know what was said but after those discussions, have you made a decision? >> yes, your honor. >> what is your decision, sir. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor....
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trayvon martin. you have to use evidence, circumstantial evidence from the outside and try to figure it out. if someone's in fear, you run home. that was about 30 yards. that's where you run when you're in fear. if you stick around to take on someone, you stick around. >> that's more an assumption. i don't think he had -- >> well -- you think -- you disagree with that? >> that doesn't mean that trayvon had to run home. >> i'm not saying that but if you're looking for reasonable inferences, that's a for likely reasonable inference. >> it's four minutes but he didn't go home. i mean, the inference is what he was doing. the thing is the state, all they have is the angel/demon good versus evil, light/dark dichotomy and i think the defense is doing a great job of saying you don't know anything about either of these people. i'm just saying there's four minutes that he could have been laying in wait the same way you think that he was hunting. there's no evidence of evilness on either side and some point onl
trayvon martin. you have to use evidence, circumstantial evidence from the outside and try to figure it out. if someone's in fear, you run home. that was about 30 yards. that's where you run when you're in fear. if you stick around to take on someone, you stick around. >> that's more an assumption. i don't think he had -- >> well -- you think -- you disagree with that? >> that doesn't mean that trayvon had to run home. >> i'm not saying that but if you're looking for...
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trayvon martin's blood on his. forever. >> trayvon martin was killed february 26th, 2012, one year, four months and 16 days later. a jury in a court of law is deciding whether george zimmerman should be criminally responsible for his death. every second it goes by brings us closer to that verdict. with me now is my all-star legal panel, joy reid, managing editor the grio.com, former prosecutor faith jenkins, defense attorney ken padowitz, and former prosecutor marcia clark. she is author of "killer ambition." thank you all for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> great to be here. >> thank you. >> marcia, how did the defense and prosecution do today in their final arguments to the jury? >> reverend, i thought they both did a really good job, very strong. and, you know, it's interesting the different styles that they have to adopt. and wisely. so you know, the defense approaches this from a very calm, very reasoned, let's all calm down now and think rationally, you know, and try to step away from all the sympa
trayvon martin's blood on his. forever. >> trayvon martin was killed february 26th, 2012, one year, four months and 16 days later. a jury in a court of law is deciding whether george zimmerman should be criminally responsible for his death. every second it goes by brings us closer to that verdict. with me now is my all-star legal panel, joy reid, managing editor the grio.com, former prosecutor faith jenkins, defense attorney ken padowitz, and former prosecutor marcia clark. she is author...
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george zimmerman brought out the gun because trayvon martin had gone for it as opposed to trayvon martin was screaming or retreating or running. have a listen to how that went down between this prosecutor and this witness. >> if trayvon martin or anyone would have been in that situation and would have been aware of the defendant's gun either seen it or felt it, would you expect them to scream for help? >> you're asking me if somebody -- if i'm beating the crap out you have and i know you have a gun would i expect me to be screaming for help? >> would that be unusual? >> you said if i'm trayvon martin in that situation and we take it to the place that we've gone with the physical evidence where i'm the aggressor, i'm on you and i see you have a gun, my first instinct is not to scream for help, if i'm the one being the aggressor is to go for the weapon to help me continue my aggression. >> my question was it would be unusual for a person who saw someone that they were in combat with with a firearm, would it be unusual for that person to yell for help in your experience? >> i want to make s
george zimmerman brought out the gun because trayvon martin had gone for it as opposed to trayvon martin was screaming or retreating or running. have a listen to how that went down between this prosecutor and this witness. >> if trayvon martin or anyone would have been in that situation and would have been aware of the defendant's gun either seen it or felt it, would you expect them to scream for help? >> you're asking me if somebody -- if i'm beating the crap out you have and i...
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trayvon martin became the aggressor at that point and there is no evidence that trayvon martin was on the bottom. >> if i'm the prosecutor in this case, i am saying to the jury, why did george zimmerman say that he was reaching for his cell phone when trayvon martin looked at him. the reason he says that, and i'm telling that jury, he wasn't reaching for that cell phone, he took it out or let it be known that he had a firearm, again, george zimmerman has been portrayed as a rather meek person and i believe he probably was. albeit he wanted to be law enforcement. >> you can say that, but where is the -- where is the evidence? >> reasonable inchs based on the evidence. >>ith not evidence. >> a prosecutor is not -- no, a prosecutor is not testifying. do you need a witness to say that? the only witness that could say that would be george zimmerman. >> george zimmerman, because he's consistent doesn't mean he's telling the truth. he's telling the truth about a lot of what he's saying. >> let me ask. this is important. do you doubt that the eyewitness was correct in saying trayvon ground an
trayvon martin became the aggressor at that point and there is no evidence that trayvon martin was on the bottom. >> if i'm the prosecutor in this case, i am saying to the jury, why did george zimmerman say that he was reaching for his cell phone when trayvon martin looked at him. the reason he says that, and i'm telling that jury, he wasn't reaching for that cell phone, he took it out or let it be known that he had a firearm, again, george zimmerman has been portrayed as a rather meek...
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but obviously, he was wrong in what he did to trayvon martin 37 trayvon martin lived in that community. he had a right to be there, but there's a difference between right and wrong and morality and what can be proven in a court of law sometimes. and it's kind of a sad thing and in some respects maybe it's a good thing because we have a system that the prosecution must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. they could not prove it here. and the jury i'm sure quite reluctantly had to return be this verdict. >> okay we want to listen now to angela cory speaking >> the charges 15 months ago, we also promised that we would seek the truth for trayvon martin and due process for george zimmerman that we would get all of the facts and details of this very difficult case before a jury and that we chose to do it that way because we felt that everyone had a right to note everything about this case. that for a case like this to come out in bits and pieces served no good to no one. as mr. guy told the jury yesterday, to the living we owe respect. to the dead, we owe the truth. we have been respectfu
but obviously, he was wrong in what he did to trayvon martin 37 trayvon martin lived in that community. he had a right to be there, but there's a difference between right and wrong and morality and what can be proven in a court of law sometimes. and it's kind of a sad thing and in some respects maybe it's a good thing because we have a system that the prosecution must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. they could not prove it here. and the jury i'm sure quite reluctantly had to return be...
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his conduct is why trayvon martin is dead. i think the prosecution made that. >> you don't think that the prosecutions argued effectively with second-degree? >> i don't think they did. i think it is manslaughter. manslaughter is you do something and reckless and you don't mean to kill them but they die. i think it is manslaughter. i think the jury has to have common sense which the prosecutions is saying. if not for zimmerman, martin wont be dead. the by had a bag of skittles and a can of iced tea. he is a child many times and skittles and iced tea and none of that matters, only thing matters is what is in george zimmerman's head at the time he used the deadly force and if they couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was not in fear and he was going to get hurt seriously, that's it, it is over. they didn't prove second-degree and they wont have charged if all of the sievele rights people didn't come out and manipulate the entire system. it should not have been charged and one question no one mentions. if everyone is d
his conduct is why trayvon martin is dead. i think the prosecution made that. >> you don't think that the prosecutions argued effectively with second-degree? >> i don't think they did. i think it is manslaughter. manslaughter is you do something and reckless and you don't mean to kill them but they die. i think it is manslaughter. i think the jury has to have common sense which the prosecutions is saying. if not for zimmerman, martin wont be dead. the by had a bag of skittles and a...
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so they are very committed to trayvon's leg gas i. and trayvon's legacy means so much to this country, in that hopefully he has made america more aware that all people are important, but also too that we is to be more mindful as to how we treat one another, how we profile one another, how we evoke our judicial process when things occur. all of those things will be part of trayvon's legacy. >> i'm interested, first of all, in whether moving forward includes perhaps a civil suit. >> well, we don't talk about that much publicly on our side of things. when we make those type of decisions, we don't sue insolvent people. we sue people -- it's an informed decision. so we don't -- that wouldn't be a very public situation when that decision is made, how we handle it, and we'll confer with our clients. we'll make that decision. right now, though, i think this verdict is so fresh, we don't have that second conversation not yet. i think right now it's really an important time for the country and the martin family to think about how we treat racia
so they are very committed to trayvon's leg gas i. and trayvon's legacy means so much to this country, in that hopefully he has made america more aware that all people are important, but also too that we is to be more mindful as to how we treat one another, how we profile one another, how we evoke our judicial process when things occur. all of those things will be part of trayvon's legacy. >> i'm interested, first of all, in whether moving forward includes perhaps a civil suit. >>...
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the woman on the phone with trayvon, when of course, he was approaching trayvon -- approaching zimmerman. and that was obviously not a good moment for the prosecution. but even past that, i mean, you can't supplant and philip, can you chime. in you can't supplant emotion with where the facts are supposed to be in the case to prove that element of ill will or anger or visceral hatred of trayvon martin or a black person in order to prove that second degree murder charge. might be different for the manslaughter. >> i would absolutely agree with you. i think they painted themselves in the corner from the beginning by locking themselves into the version that they thought was going to come out. and quite frankly, that version did not come out. that being said at the end of the day, you still have a 17-year-old child. you still have an individual who is dead through no fault of his own. i think that if -- if the state could show enough emotion that the jury puts a lot of weight with that they may do a split the baby and say we don't want to come back with a murder 2 conviction because they didn
the woman on the phone with trayvon, when of course, he was approaching trayvon -- approaching zimmerman. and that was obviously not a good moment for the prosecution. but even past that, i mean, you can't supplant and philip, can you chime. in you can't supplant emotion with where the facts are supposed to be in the case to prove that element of ill will or anger or visceral hatred of trayvon martin or a black person in order to prove that second degree murder charge. might be different for...